Tuesday, October 18, 2005

But Beyonce Has a Man...

Question: Tell me what you think about me
I buy my own diamonds and I buy my own rings
Only ring your cell-y when I'm feelin lonely
When it's all over please get up and leave
Question: Tell me how you feel about this
Try to control me boy you get dismissed
Pay my own fun, oh and I pay my own bills
Always 50/50 in relationships-Independent Women by Destiny's Child

Those are lyrics from a record breaking song by Destiny's Child. A song that my grandmother and probably yours would have cringed at when she heard it. Not because she didn't agree but before the late 60's women just didn't voice this type of opinion. It was a good song and I even kind of danced along to it. Besides everyone knows about my undying love for one Beyonce Giselle Knowles. But I digress. I think the attitudes that get songs like this made have really been a massive disservice to women.

It(the attitude not the song) causes a conflict in women's minds and hearts. Especially young women. With the feminist movement at it's peak in the 70's young girls were taught that they didn't need a man for anything. Women are strong and they can do whatever they want to do. Great. There's only one problem and I'll explain it using Beyonce and her backup singers again. They also had a very big hit by the name of Bills Bills Bills . In the song they ask over and over if a man can pay their bills and if they can't then they need to get lost because the next man will.

The problem here is that no matter how much you try to program little girls to not depend on a man it is a woman's nature to want to be taken care of and to have her man to lean on. Bottom line. I know it sounds sexist coming from a man but sometimes the truth hurts.

There are women all across this nation who leave their husbands and kids in a pursuit of this independent happiness while some single women get sick on their stomach at the thought of being married and giving up their freedom and yet both groups end up in the same space looking for love and wondering where their life has went. A woman who is afraid to give up their independence ultimately ends up realizing when they are in their mid thirties that they still live like they did when they were 18.

For when a woman postpones marriage and motherhood, she does not end up thinking about love less as she gets older but more and more, sometimes to the point of obsession. Why am I still alone? she wonders. Why can’t I find someone? What is wrong with me? Her friends who have married are getting on with their lives – they are putting down payments on cars and homes; babies are arriving. She may not like some of their marriages – she may think her best friend’s husband is a bit of a jerk or that another one of her friends has changed for the worse since her marriage – but nonetheless, she will think that at least their lives are going forward while her gearshift remains stuck in neutral. The more time that passes, the more the gearshift rattles, the more preoccupied the woman becomes with herself and all her possible shortcomings in the eyes of men until she can think about little else.

The pull between the desire to love and be loved and the desire to be free is an old, fierce one. If the error our grandmothers made was to have surrendered too much of themselves for others, this was perhaps better than not being prepared to surrender anything at all. The fear of losing oneself can, in the end, simply become an excuse for not giving any of oneself away. Generations of women may have had no choice but to commit themselves to marriage early and then to feel imprisoned by their lifelong domesticity. So many of our generation have decided to put it off until it is too late, not foreseeing that lifelong independence can be its own kind of prison, too.

24 comments:

MZPEACH said...

That's what I am talking about Ddot! I love this post! I am an "old-fashioned" woman. I enjoy being taken care of by my man. If I am still alive, I plan on being a housewife once I turn 35 (I am sure I will be married by then). I do not mind accepting the role as wife and mother. I actually can not wait. A lot of men that I tell my intentions to, do not understand that. They feel as though it is outlandish for a woman of this time not to work. I understand that many households financial circumstances calls for both parents to work. But I intend for my husband to have a good paying job. Plus, I plan on owning my own busy and being a silent stockholder. SO don't get in twisted, if my husband and I are not financially stable, I will work. I actually enjoy working.

I like to date men who parents are still together (or never divorce or separated), and mother was a housewife. Only because they possess traditional family values. And they also know the value of having a housewife and aspire to having a long commited relationship. Bottomline: I do not plan on working that hard once I get married and have a family. I expect my husband to provide for us and be responsible. While I go shopping, eat Bon-bons and watch Oprah.

Ddot the King said...

LOL you are a trip GP. I totally agree with your statement about dating those people whose parents are still together or at least have been around a loving couple. It is so hard for women who have been raised by a single mother, a strong single mother to accept her role in a relationship. It can be done but it's very hard. All good points Brandy but while you're watching oprah and eating bon bons dinner better be cooked and the house cleaned or he'll probably have to deal with you!!! :)

Sandi K said...

"The fear of losing oneself can, in the end, simply become an excuse for not giving any of oneself away. Generations of women may have had no choice but to commit themselves to marriage early and then to feel imprisoned by their lifelong domesticity."

Amen to that brother. I have been married most of my adult life. I am only 37 but have been married for 17 years. Some might say that this is a wonderful thing. I do not agree. Although My children can say that they are not bastards, my husbands cannot say the same. (cough cough) hahaha-
I was married at 17- because I had to get married - pregnant no parents etc. Divorced at 20 after being hit by fists, and a car. Remarried at 23 - unhappy ever since. Being a housewife has it's advantages, however being in the workforce does also. I loved working but when My spouse and I had the same position at the same company, and my team consistently out-performed his team - yet HE got the Promotion I was told that it was because he was the man of the house and he should make more money than I. ((OUTRAGE DOES NOT EVEN BEGIN TO DESCRIBE It
Women in our grandmothers day couldn't even vote. They did not have the choices that we have now. They were virtual breeding machines and while their men were out doing what men will do- they were at home and taking care of the kids, then taking care of his needs when he got home. Women require more than shopping trips and someone to pay the bills.

(steps off of soapbox)

Good article.

Ddot the King said...

Thanks Miss P. But can you honestly say that you would've been happier at this stage in your life having NEVER been married with kids? You wouldn't still be in the "search" mode? I just feel that the grass always seems greener on the other side.

Ddot the King said...

How did I know you'd disagree with me Ms. Jackie?

Ok let me clarify. I don't think that a man defines a woman. I think a woman could be perfectly happy alone if she so desires. But I also feel that if the only reason is because they feel it is degrading and just don't want to give up some of the independence then they are going to end up very unhappy. The spirit of independence is what gets a lot of people...men and women...in trouble and makes them lead very sad lives.

Ddot the King said...

Wow i got jackie to sorta agree with me!!! And yes I know she is spokeperson for those hair products but do you think Michael Jordan wears Nike everyday? No. Leave my beloved Beyonce alone!!! And din't I link that back to your page you ungrateful little woman?!

Ddot the King said...

ROFL! Jackie you are a trip. There was a link back to your page! Anyway I'm sure Beyonce just wears fake hair sometimes to have a different look. I'm sure that her real hair is beautiful and healthy and I'm also quite sure that when she poops butter pecan comes out intead of poo!

Ddot the King said...

I really do crack myself up! And yes I can envision combing her hair as we watch the sun go down in Maui and talking about all the haters and the best part is we won't even have to get up to go get ice cream because...well you know why!! :)

Sandi K said...

DDot, I would have been happier at this point in my life if I had my kids and grandchild and had a milk carton with 2 faces of my ex's on it. LOL
I never was in search mode. A man that finds a wife finds a good thing. If I get divorced I know where to go....
http://adult-pleasure-toys.com/

ROFLMAO

Beyonce has unbeweavable hair.. really she does.

I think that Interdependance is more important than independance. GW has shown what happens when someone tries to be to "Independant" don't get me started on that one.

Even in nature it takes a male and a female tree to produce fruit. If all you have planted is a female plum tree - no plum pudding for you!

I do not beleive that All people were made to be married or to be in a relationship. It all boils down to choices. Hindsite is 20 20
and the grass is ALWAYS greener over the cess pool. Fence or not.
: )

Ddot the King said...

Ok Miss P maybe you would've been happier but you couldn't have had the kids or grand kid without the men. Now I never said some guys aren't jerks and deserve to be dumped or left alone but I think that if both people put their all into a marriage it can and will work. But if one or both people are still wishing they were single then they both will be single soon enough.

And no I don't think all people should be married. For instance if a woman called hersel say..I don't know.."Peculiar" I'd probably have some reservations! :)

Danielle said...

I'm ALL ABOUT Independant Happiness.

Drea Inspired said...

Now, my father had 2 philosophies:

1. You need to get an education so you don't have to depend on a man!

2. You need to learn how to cook and clean, otherwise ain't no man gonna want you!

Needless to say, I'm in college, I can cook my behind off, and no one enjoys cleanliness the way I do.

Anyway, I like being able to provide for myself. It makes me feel a sense of accomplishment in my life. I'm not looking for a man to take care of me, but I certainly want one who is taking care of himself, and if he has the means to take care of me then all the better!

Having grown up feeling like I have to be independent and strong all of the time, sometimes I'm conflicted because I grew up in an "old-fashioned" environment too. Sometimes I fight those values...that's the independent woman in me. But the old-fashioned woman at heart who just happens to be able to pay her own bills doesn't mind fixing a plate at the cookout for her man who just happens to be able to take care of her if she up and decides to become a housewife one day.

I think it all has a lot do with upbringing and of course developing your own ideals and values. Marriage and family are not ultimate goals for everyone. One of my Aunts is in her 60s (though she looks like she's in her 40s). She's had one gentlemen friend in particular for years...like since before I was born up to now. They never married, though he has asked her several times...she has always declined. She has a very nice house, nice car...you know, INDEPENDENT...they don't even live together. She doesn't have any children, and she does NOT regret any of that. She loves the life she lives and for her, marriage was not desirable.

Ddot the King said...

C'mon Danielle work with me!!

Sandi K said...

DDot - I never said I could have had the kids without the men, I said I wasn't searching for one. I made bad decisions based on bad situations and came to be where I am now. I made my bed yadda yadda. Some women are jerks too. Lets not get it twisted. All I am saying is that it is not imperative to ones happiness to be married and have children.
As far as being Peculiar, I own a business called Peculiar Things Ltd. I am one of the "Old Timey" women. I make hand made soap, I raise my own vegies, I grow the herbs that I cook with and put in my body products. I do not go to the mall, and I am not a frivolous spender. Therefore I am Ms. Peculiar.
And in spite of my spouse being a creep to me sometimes and be being a creep to him, I don't disrespect him in public or in front of his friends. I act as though everything is just lovely.
After all, Isn't that what a good lil wife should do?
"choke"

Ddot the King said...

Ms. P I don't think that it's imperative to ones happiness to to be married with kids either. My whole post was about people who want to be married but they want to keep their independence as well. And if you choose your independence over love you will not be happy in the long run.

I was just kidding with the "Peculiar" statement. i'm sure you're a lovely woman and i respect you for not disrespecting your spouse and i'm sure he appreciates it and respects you for that as well.

Leesa said...

I think you are right as well. I am very capable in some areas, but I don't learn them (taking care of a car, for instance) because my man does this for me.

Danielle said...

LOL KANG
U know how I do!

Ddot the King said...

Nice post Drea. And again I agree that marriage is not for everybody and I also recognize the challenges that come with being taught to be independent on certain levels and then one day surrendering a portion of that. I just don't feel it should be looked at as a bad thing.

MZPEACH said...

I diggin that counter Ddot.

Ddot the King said...

Thanks GP...it's only been up for about a month! :)

Wow a new pic?! You look totally different!

MZPEACH said...

OH, what you trying to say? huh? That picture will not be up for long. Okay. I am experimenting right now. My hair color is just different.

Sandi K said...

I didn't take offense to the Peculiar comment at all. I just wanted you to know the meaning. My knick name is actually EsQue. (S.K)
My initials are SKS- in spanish it's Es Que Es... It is what it is.. or in slang.. WHATEVER??
lol
Thats why MsP is easier.

I am not a lovely woman. I am a confused mess who can sometimes be lovely. Although I used to sing in a group called "Lovely."
*but thanks for sentiment*


I still think that it was a good article and insightful. As far as independant- no one can be independant altogether.

Interdependance is a necessary evil. ie. you can't go to the store and buy cereal unless a farmer grows the corn, the company processes the corn into cereal, a wood cutter chops wood to make paper pulp to turn into a box to put the cereal in, and then WALMART takes over the neighborhood to sell the cereal at a ridiculously low price so that the local vendors are forced out of business. None of these people could afford to grow the corn, chop the wood, make the cardboard or have a supercenter without a consumer - therefore interdependance is really what is happening.

Independance would mean that you grow your own dangon cereal. In this world there is no such thing as true independance. There are how many degrees of seperation?
By the way, Beyonce's latest album has her bringing her man his slippers and such... She has matured over the years and I think that if a woman keeps that Bills Bills Bills attitude, then she is in a sorry state.
I think that Georgia Peach has a point that being old fashioned doesn't mean that both people can't work and that she can't still be her own woman. But if the circumstances allow - Oprah and bon bons are pretty dang good too.

Sandi K said...

BTW (Sorry for the typos)

Inside Man said...

I agree w/ this post and also confirm that brothas have to hold up there end of the bargin . They "have" to want to take care of their women and their families. The most genuine virtue of making a family (man, woman, & child) is passing you legacy to your children. These templates fall into many of the point you've made, having children, buying a home (my folks still live in the house I was raised in), and planning a future for more then yourself.
I'm old fashioned man, I believe men and women have thier rolls to support each other. All this new age ish will turn you into a vagabond.